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	<title>Comments on: Going Beyond Refuting Gnostics</title>
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		<title>By: V. K. Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2009/01/25/going-beyond-refuting-gnostics/comment-page-1/#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>V. K. Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply put, it&#039;s the idea that laws and ethics should be based on the laws and ethics of the Bible. Sort of like a lower-level theocracy. Wikipedia has a good article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy
It doesn&#039;t really have anything to do with the discussion--your Burke comment just gave me that idea. 

I&#039;m curious to see what AP says against your post. If your idea is that the Church and the UN are competing like capitalists in the &quot;market&quot; of humanitarian aid etc. (and this is what I gathered), then you can hardly say that the Government has no business in the market. Certainly, however, we should strain so hard that we effectively have a monopoly on the field. I&#039;m not sure if the two fields can actually be lumped together, but definitely in peace-keeping, I don&#039;t see how you can say it&#039;s none of the government&#039;s business. Isn&#039;t the government the representative of the people? Surely you don&#039;t want the Church signing peace treaties (this is why I leapt to the accusation of theonomy). Making something obsolete isn&#039;t the same as forbidding it. 
Garbled. Hope it made sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply put, it&#8217;s the idea that laws and ethics should be based on the laws and ethics of the Bible. Sort of like a lower-level theocracy. Wikipedia has a good article on it: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy</a><br />
It doesn&#8217;t really have anything to do with the discussion&#8211;your Burke comment just gave me that idea. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to see what AP says against your post. If your idea is that the Church and the UN are competing like capitalists in the &#8220;market&#8221; of humanitarian aid etc. (and this is what I gathered), then you can hardly say that the Government has no business in the market. Certainly, however, we should strain so hard that we effectively have a monopoly on the field. I&#8217;m not sure if the two fields can actually be lumped together, but definitely in peace-keeping, I don&#8217;t see how you can say it&#8217;s none of the government&#8217;s business. Isn&#8217;t the government the representative of the people? Surely you don&#8217;t want the Church signing peace treaties (this is why I leapt to the accusation of theonomy). Making something obsolete isn&#8217;t the same as forbidding it.<br />
Garbled. Hope it made sense.</p>
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		<title>By: J. R. Ahern</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2009/01/25/going-beyond-refuting-gnostics/comment-page-1/#comment-1562</link>
		<dc:creator>J. R. Ahern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous - once again, I am left speechless at your articulacy. 

N. E. Embrey  - yes, that&#039;s exactly what I&#039;m saying, although I&#039;m not saying, &quot;If you&#039;re a Christian, you&#039;re a libertarian&quot; at all. I&#039;m more emphasizing that the Church has abdicated from its historical and (I think) Biblical role, and we should seek to replace the U. N. and provide, in your example, true humanitarian aid (any humanitarian aid without the gospel is false, insofar as it doesn&#039;t have part of the truth, right?). 

A. P. Ahern - I wait with bated breath. Baited. Whatever. 

V. K. Blake - What is a theonomist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; once again, I am left speechless at your articulacy. </p>
<p>N. E. Embrey  &#8211; yes, that&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m saying, although I&#8217;m not saying, &#8220;If you&#8217;re a Christian, you&#8217;re a libertarian&#8221; at all. I&#8217;m more emphasizing that the Church has abdicated from its historical and (I think) Biblical role, and we should seek to replace the U. N. and provide, in your example, true humanitarian aid (any humanitarian aid without the gospel is false, insofar as it doesn&#8217;t have part of the truth, right?). </p>
<p>A. P. Ahern &#8211; I wait with bated breath. Baited. Whatever. </p>
<p>V. K. Blake &#8211; What is a theonomist?</p>
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		<title>By: V. K. Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2009/01/25/going-beyond-refuting-gnostics/comment-page-1/#comment-1561</link>
		<dc:creator>V. K. Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, are you a theonomist?</description>
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		<title>By: A.P. Ahern</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2009/01/25/going-beyond-refuting-gnostics/comment-page-1/#comment-1558</link>
		<dc:creator>A.P. Ahern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous - Ah yes, the ubiquitous blockhead accusations. This one goes the distance, though. Let&#039;s keep it civil, shall we?

J.R. Ahern - this post is clever, academic, well-pondered, interesting, and dangerously wrong.  Due to the limited space in comments, expect that I will post a rebuttal in short order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; Ah yes, the ubiquitous blockhead accusations. This one goes the distance, though. Let&#8217;s keep it civil, shall we?</p>
<p>J.R. Ahern &#8211; this post is clever, academic, well-pondered, interesting, and dangerously wrong.  Due to the limited space in comments, expect that I will post a rebuttal in short order.</p>
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		<title>By: N. E. Embrey</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2009/01/25/going-beyond-refuting-gnostics/comment-page-1/#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>N. E. Embrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[Peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance] are, I submit, all things whose responsibility lies in the Church, not in government. And not in a united bureaucracy of governments, either. This is not simply an example of government encroaching. Government only encroaches when the Church abdicates. Somebody needs to do it. That doesn’t mean government should.&quot;

You seem to be saying that two things need to happen:

1. The Church needs to start working on peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance because that&#039;s its business.

2. Governments need to stop working on peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance because it&#039;s none of their business.

Is that really what you&#039;re saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance] are, I submit, all things whose responsibility lies in the Church, not in government. And not in a united bureaucracy of governments, either. This is not simply an example of government encroaching. Government only encroaches when the Church abdicates. Somebody needs to do it. That doesn’t mean government should.&#8221;</p>
<p>You seem to be saying that two things need to happen:</p>
<p>1. The Church needs to start working on peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance because that&#8217;s its business.</p>
<p>2. Governments need to stop working on peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance because it&#8217;s none of their business.</p>
<p>Is that really what you&#8217;re saying?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a blockhead, and a stupid one at that.  Don&#039;t talk of that which you know nothing of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a blockhead, and a stupid one at that.  Don&#8217;t talk of that which you know nothing of.</p>
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