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	<title>Comments on: On Courtship&#8230; Or Something Like It</title>
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		<title>By: John R. Ahern</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2007/05/11/on-courtship-or-something-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>John R. Ahern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks awfully, whoever fixed the URLs. I really need to do that for myself....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks awfully, whoever fixed the URLs. I really need to do that for myself&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Ahern</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2007/05/11/on-courtship-or-something-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>John R. Ahern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. It&#039;s fascinating how these cognates work, and it&#039;s also fascinating to see where the word comes from.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think your conclusion about the real meaning of worship is vital and true. We need to hear more of that. Worship for God&#039;s sake, not man&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. It&#8217;s fascinating how these cognates work, and it&#8217;s also fascinating to see where the word comes from.</p>
<p>I think your conclusion about the real meaning of worship is vital and true. We need to hear more of that. Worship for God&#8217;s sake, not man&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Ahern</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2007/05/11/on-courtship-or-something-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>John R. Ahern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, wait. The Musical side of me is offended. (I mean, Musical, i.e. Dannie Kaye, Fred Astaire, etc.) What about &lt;i&gt;Kiss Me Kate&lt;/i&gt;, 1949? Really! That must be on the list of both excellent Shakespeare renderings and politically incorrect movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, wait. The Musical side of me is offended. (I mean, Musical, i.e. Dannie Kaye, Fred Astaire, etc.) What about <i>Kiss Me Kate</i>, 1949? Really! That must be on the list of both excellent Shakespeare renderings and politically incorrect movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Nehemiah</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2007/05/11/on-courtship-or-something-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Nehemiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Van Til would say that all reason that does not have God&#039;s revelation (His word) as the starting point is bound to fail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;That is, the Bible is the Word of him who, as Creator-Redeemer alone can identify himself. God in Christ identifies himself in terms of himself because he exists exclusively in terms of himself. There is no non-being over against him that influences him. There are no laws of logic above him according to which he mush measure his own internal consistency. This God of the Bible is, therefore, the final reference point for predication of his rational creatures. They, and with them all things in the universe, must be explained in terms of him, and he is never wholly comprehensible to them. Therefore no fact in the universe is ever wholly comprehensible to them. They therefore need to live by authority. They have to be told who they are and what the things of the universe mean in relation to themselves and finally in relation to God. God&#039;s supernatural revelation is presupposed in all successful rational inquiry on the part of man.&quot; A Christian Theory of Knowledge - Van Til.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would argue against the idea that what makes us human is our sense of morality and ability to reason. I have a brother who is mentally retarded. Is he human? What about someone who is in a coma or other vegetative state. Are they human? Are babies human? What about people sleeping. They don&#039;t have the ability to reason in that state.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The bible says that we are made in the image of God, and that is what makes us human, not our mental abilities.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What I wanted to say about logic is that it is only part of our language. It &quot;shelves&quot; and &quot;categorizes&quot; things that have already happened or things that are. It is courtroom language, scientific language, examining language. But we also speak with commands, and these have no place in logic. Commands and imperatives are based on authority, not logic. Ought is a question of authority, not logic. We are finite beings, and so eventually all our questions will have to rest on authority. The question is whether we will choose ourselves as the final authority, or the Lord of the universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Van Til would say that all reason that does not have God&#8217;s revelation (His word) as the starting point is bound to fail.</p>
<p>&#8220;That is, the Bible is the Word of him who, as Creator-Redeemer alone can identify himself. God in Christ identifies himself in terms of himself because he exists exclusively in terms of himself. There is no non-being over against him that influences him. There are no laws of logic above him according to which he mush measure his own internal consistency. This God of the Bible is, therefore, the final reference point for predication of his rational creatures. They, and with them all things in the universe, must be explained in terms of him, and he is never wholly comprehensible to them. Therefore no fact in the universe is ever wholly comprehensible to them. They therefore need to live by authority. They have to be told who they are and what the things of the universe mean in relation to themselves and finally in relation to God. God&#8217;s supernatural revelation is presupposed in all successful rational inquiry on the part of man.&#8221; A Christian Theory of Knowledge &#8211; Van Til.</p>
<p>I would argue against the idea that what makes us human is our sense of morality and ability to reason. I have a brother who is mentally retarded. Is he human? What about someone who is in a coma or other vegetative state. Are they human? Are babies human? What about people sleeping. They don&#8217;t have the ability to reason in that state.</p>
<p>The bible says that we are made in the image of God, and that is what makes us human, not our mental abilities.</p>
<p>What I wanted to say about logic is that it is only part of our language. It &#8220;shelves&#8221; and &#8220;categorizes&#8221; things that have already happened or things that are. It is courtroom language, scientific language, examining language. But we also speak with commands, and these have no place in logic. Commands and imperatives are based on authority, not logic. Ought is a question of authority, not logic. We are finite beings, and so eventually all our questions will have to rest on authority. The question is whether we will choose ourselves as the final authority, or the Lord of the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
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		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, gentlemen, I&#039;m quite flattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, gentlemen, I&#8217;m quite flattered.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Ahern</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2007/05/11/on-courtship-or-something-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>John R. Ahern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. S. BTW, great poem. You sound like Douglas Wilson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. S. BTW, great poem. You sound like Douglas Wilson.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oi! Nice poem, and very glad to have you on here. To be honest, I can&#039;t believe someone convinced you to join us, but tres cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi! Nice poem, and very glad to have you on here. To be honest, I can&#8217;t believe someone convinced you to join us, but tres cool.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Ahern</title>
		<link>http://www.pontificationadnauseam.com/2007/05/11/on-courtship-or-something-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>John R. Ahern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, scratch that. Nice post. I&#039;ll post a reply myself a little later. Brilliant, but you&#039;re still terribly wrong. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If I understand you correctly, personality is the thing that makes Goodness, Truth, and Beauty valid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, scratch that. Nice post. I&#8217;ll post a reply myself a little later. Brilliant, but you&#8217;re still terribly wrong. </p>
<p>If I understand you correctly, personality is the thing that makes Goodness, Truth, and Beauty valid?</p>
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